Working with the Enemy

Did anyone see this video Dan and Lloyd from KPS Digital Marketing created about the Facebook changes…

Hilarious right!?

You may know this or you may not – but we get on really well with Dan and Lloyd (AKA Highlights and the other one), but how easy would it be for us to see them as competition…

  • They’re our age (Dan is one year younger, and Lloyd one year older)
  • They’re a duo
  • They’re British in this space
  • They make hilarious marketing videos
  • They’re not quite as good looking, but getting there

It would be easy for us to hate them. They even take the mick out of our awesome GIFs in the above video.

But instead of seeing them as a threat…  we got to know them (online and offline at various events), and instead of making little Dan and little Lloyd voodoo dolls, we:

  • Shared ideas
  • Shared each other’s content
  • Collaborated

And deeper than that – we keep each other on our toes. When we see videos like the above – it inspires us! We think – right how can we keep our own thing fresh? How do we keep pushing our own boundaries?

Not everyone thinks like this.

We’ve approached many marketing companies in the past to collaborate on something, and they don’t want anything to do with us!!

That’s cool, we’re not upset about it – but we do feel it’s a bit of a shame.

Because there is nobody who knows what you’re going through, your struggles and your industry – like your direct competition does.

So how do you work with the enemy?

Number 1. Reach out on Social 

This is easy – just give them some props on social media! Share some of the their content, and just reply to their tweets every once in a while. You may want to start a Twitter list called ‘enemies’.

We went wayyyyy back in Twitter to find this very first Tweet Dan sent Andrew after he read a post on Social Media Examiner…

@AndrewAndPete loving your new @SMExaminer post Andrew! ???????????????? pic.twitter.com/Nu7F3IijzJ

— Daniel Knowlton (@dknowlton1) July 14, 2016

Number 2. Collaborate

We don’t mean collaborate on work or projects (although that’s possible), but start easy with some content collaborations. One of the first things we did with Dan and Lloyd was a Snapchat takeover, but why not do a guest blog, or a joint Facebook Live, or a Twitter chat? Start with something easy!

Then if it all goes well, you can do more.

Have you seen our brand new show ‘Andrew and Pete VS Dan and Lloyd’ yet? They’re going dowwwwwn!

Number 3. Use Messenger

Once the relationship is it bit more established, why not start a private messenger thread on something like Facebook Messenger or WhatsApp.

You can kind of use these as informal masterminds – a place to share new ideas, ask for shares or get advice.


From ATOMIC…

We put this story to our ATOMIC members in our group, here’s what they had to say…

Nicole Osborne: “I genuinely believe there usually is enough cake to go around. It’s so helpful to have an open dialogue with your competition. At times you might be so busy that you can pass on leads. I’d be cautious about giving away new service or marketing ideas too early on – unless there is room for collaboration which is even better!”

Clare Crossan: “So far I’ve only encountered colleagues, not competition. I’m hoping my strategy of not being a d*** will pay off — it may be naive but I figure if you’re nice and helpful to everyone, it’ll come back at you! Oh, and you never know who will send work your way if they’re snowed under. And I love having people I can trust to send work to if I’m too busy to take something on.

Louise Harnby: “My industry is an example where I’d say there aren’t even frenemies never mind enemies. We’re just friends. There’s a massive online community (thousands), in particular on Facebook, and an informal referral network to go with it. Most of my champions and advocates are from that international community. Honestly, if you’re miserable in your job, you should become one of us. I think it might just be the kindest community in the world!”

Cathy Wassell:  “I am friends with lots of competition in the #DMCollective. We are all competing for the same jobs but we help and support each other every day.”

Gemma Jay: “I work closely with another one or two wedding planners, one I’d class as a close friend. We pass work back and forth. The planner needs to be right for the couple, it’s their big day and I’m happy to pass a referral over so they get the right person! Although there are some I don’t recommend! ????”

Lyndsay Cambridge: “We love speaking with other web agency owners! We wrote a blog post highlighting the 10 best web design agencies in Manchester. A few people thought we were mad for doing this! But this was our chance to highlight those we admired. We’re not the right fit for everyone and we understand that there are other amazing agencies out there that can help! Our only issue is many people we speak to have had bad experiences with web designers or those in SEO. And we try to combat that by being as transparent as possible.

Ashley Davis: We love working and collaborating with other digital agencies! In fact, we actually have a whole page on our website dedicated to it. Since we specialise in B2B lead generation, there are sometimes clients that are not a good fit for us and we pass them on. Other times, there are clients that are not a good fit for the agencies so they pass them to us. The fact is, there is more than enough business to go around. I was at a digital agency event a few months ago in Texas and in one of the talks they mentioned there’s something like 200,000 SME’s for every digital agency in existence. So yeah – nothing to worry about!

Awesome points guys! We completely agree! It’s not just Dan and Lloyd either – we have collaborated, worked with, masterminded with, and shared ideas with soooo many people and companies that we could see as ‘the enemy’.

Like the saying goes… keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Now… what do you think?

We want to know your best advice or best story around working with the competition. Drop it in the comments.

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7 Comments

  1. Chris Huskins on January 26, 2018 at 8:22 am

    Love this guys! There shouldn’t be competition in these markets! No such thing as actual enemies. Frenemies all the way, collaborate, help each other… There’s plenty of business to go around… Loving the tips and processes <3



  2. Andrew and Pete on January 26, 2018 at 9:00 am

    Cheers Chris! Everyone needs a BFF… Best Frenemy Forever!



  3. Aileen Smith on January 26, 2018 at 9:09 am

    Great points Andrew and Pete, a mentor once said to me if you have a plate of brownies don’t keep them to yourself – share them (bit of an ironic analogy as I’m a health coach!). So long as there is respect for each others work and always crediting people when it’s due. You soon get to know the good guys!



  4. Louise Harnby | Fiction Editor on January 26, 2018 at 9:48 am

    Fab article, Andrew and Pete. Who wants to work with people incapable of building relationships? Who would trust someone like that? If we view people as enemies we’re fighting before the war’s even started. I only have 24 hours in a day. If I can’t fit in a client’s work, I want to be able to refer that person to a colleague whom I like, respect and trust rather than saying, ‘Sorry. Calendar’s full. Back to Google you go!’ For me, it’s not just about helping each other but also about giving the client great customer service. That’s the kind of thing people remember.



  5. Jeni on January 26, 2018 at 5:37 pm

    Love this article. It makes so much sense to work with someone in the same field! I mean if you think you’re solving an important problem then you want to have the best ideas and solve it for as many people as possible. Working with someone else helps you share ideas and strategies for doing just that!



  6. Ess Green on January 27, 2018 at 4:27 pm

    Fully agree with this!! FRENEMIES hahaha! Friendly competition and to be honest, sometimes it’s a lonely road so why not share and collab with the people who understand you most? More often than not it helps both parties grow quicker… I’d say ‘Be brave and reach out, if they don’t want to then that’s fine – their loss!’ 😛

    Thanks for the post guys.



  7. Daniel Knowlton on February 5, 2018 at 12:06 pm

    Love this!!!